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WSW2: Another Perspective on Matthews

09 Monday Feb 2015

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Ken Moll, NFL Scouting

Today, I turned things over to Ken Moll, who two years ago was running the scouting department for the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. Ken is the scout who ‘discovered’ Seahawks WO Chris Matthews, who excelled in Seattle’s Super Bowl loss to the Patriots two weekends ago. Here’s Ken’s story on identifying and signing Matthews.


 

“I try to do things geographically. During the spring, I hit as many pro days as I could, including Ball State, Louisville, Western Kentucky, Vanderbilt, University of Tennessee, anywhere in about a three- to five-hour circle. I didn’t go much further than that. I mean, I went to (University of Alabama-Birmingham) and Alabama one year, but pretty much I went to Kentucky every year. (Matthews) was a guy that I had marked, but we didn’t have a spot for him. He was a junior college kid, and he comes into Kentucky, and he has a decent junior year and a big senior year as far as amount of catches, more than (former UK teammate and present Packers WO Randall) Cobb. And he had really big hands, he had length, and ran OK at his pro day, though he didn’t have great speed. But he’s 6-5 and I bet he weighed more than 218 .. . and really refined his route-running his second year at UK.

“We had lost a guy named Greg Carr, a big tall kid from Florida State, and he was a good player for us the year before, and after the second year, he was one of the free agents we wanted to resign and we didn’t get it done. (Carr) was very similar to (Matthews). (Winnipeg GM) Joe (Mack) and I got on the horn and we wanted to find another big receiver, and I remembered him, and he didn’t run great, he ran OK, but he could catch the crap out of the ball and was just so big. On turf at (Kentucky’s) indoor facility, he ran in the upper 4.6 range, but had enough functional speed that he wasn’t awkward or gawky. He could run for a big guy, and the catches you saw him make in the Super Bowl, he did that all the time in the CFL. You don’t find those big guys up in the CFL, and at times, he was covered but he wasn’t covered. He was just so big. He was tougher than this Carr kid. Chris was a little shorter but thicker and could go in traffic and get it.

“I’m pretty sure, when I found him, I tried to call and I think he was in Arena Ball at the time, and I remember getting on the phone with him and I think we just took my numbers from a year before (and signed him without working him out). Who knows? He could have looked like a cabdriver, but I’m big on working a guy out again, at least weigh and measure, but I think we took him sight unseen and they loved him up there, and they said, ‘wow, where do you find these big guys that can catch,’ and all I can tell you is, he runs fast enough.

“You only have enough room for a (certain number) of guys, and we didn’t’ want to have five receivers that were 6-4 or 6-5. Chris didn’t have a lot of run-after-the-catch ability, and half the time he was covered, but he’d just reach over guys and make catches. In the practices, the coaches would love him. If you don’t have the speed — I mean, you can’t be flat-out slow — but I said, OK, I need to find a big guy. I mean, Carr had ran like a 4.54 or something like that, and they were similar in route-running, but the whole package was better. Chris was a little stronger, a little more competitive, and caught the ball slightly better.”

The Half-Percent

02 Monday Feb 2015

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Feeder System, Ken Moll

I got a text this morning from a friend who used to run a CFL personnel department (Ken Moll, who’s written in this space a few times before). It started this way:

“Happy for this kid Chris Matthews (for Seattle). I brought him in to Winnipeg (from Arena ball, played at Kentucky). Also, I see where the Steelers signed a safety/LB (Ian Wild) who played at Mercyhurst, cut by the Bills out of college but can play . . . Given that there is no feeder-type league for the NFL, I believe the Canadian league (with the right person) needs more attention. Just a thought.”

Let me first say that I think Ken’s right. I think the CFL and AFL deserve more attention. But I always have people asking me about why there’s no feeder league for the NFL akin to the old NFL Europe model.

There are two reasons. No. 1, as I’ve discussed in this space previously, one could argue that the NFL has the best feeder system in the league in NCAA football, and it doesn’t cost them a cent. But the other issue is cost and the economy of finding and developing sleepers.

The NFL has almost unlimited resources, it’s true, but I still don’t think they’re excited about losing money. Let’s say they started some kind of feeder league with eight teams, just to keep things balanced, and they kept them all in Northeast markets, just to keep travel simple. By the time they rostered 45 players, paid a staff, covered travel and stadium costs and the other miscellaneous expenses, I think it would cost $500,000 to run each team, and I think that number is very conservative. So $4 million, at least, to run a feeder league.

So what would they net? That’s something we could argue. I think the results wouldn’t be a lot different from what they’re getting. Every March, NFL teams weigh, measure, time, etc., about 3,000 players at their pro days. Around 250 are drafted in April and about the same are signed as undrafted free agents, so let’s say 2,500 are turned into street free agents. The best of those players fan out to the AFL, CFL, and in some instances European leagues. At the most, maybe 15 of those players that didn’t make it into camps wind up back in the league and on 53-man rosters. That’s one half of one percent of the players that worked out for NFL scouts at pro days.

Also, keep in mind that the players that take the long road to the NFL are not Kurt Warners, or even as skilled as Chris Matthews. They’re usually one step above the practice squad. So the question becomes, how much does the NFL want to spend in order to find the 52nd or 53rd man on 10-15 NFL teams, annually? And keep in mind that Warner was really not a failure of the system, but of the Packers; he went to camp with the team when it had Brett Favre, Mark Brunell and even Ty Detmer on the roster. Eventually, his performance in the AFL got him an NFL chance without the league having to step in and create a league for him.

I think it would be great if there’s a minor league for the NFL; it’s incredibly fun when players like Matthews play a big role in a big game after toiling in obscurity for a long time. I just think the economics of such a league do not work.

 

 

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