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Thoughts from a rare rookie year

24 Tuesday Jun 2014

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John Thornton got certified last fall, and by any measure, it’s been a great rookie season. In his first season, he negotiated a big veteran free agent deal (new Bucs DE Michael Johnson got $43.5 million over five years) and had a player drafted (the Seahawks took Marshall OT Garrett Scott at 6/199) despite being independent. Though he credits Chicago-based Rick Smith of Priority Sports as being a huge help and a big influence, he has no specific affiliation with Priority or any other firm.

Also making him unique: he’s one of only a handful of contract advisors who also played in the league; he was a 10-year veteran with the Titans and Bengals after being drafted by Tennessee in the second round in 1999. As such he’s got some unique takes on the football business after his first year certified by the NFLPA. In fact, he had too many thoughts to fit into Monday’s newsletter, so we thought we’d pass along some of what we couldn’t use in today’s post.

On the draft, and the expectations of draft prospects: “I think the rookie side of the business has gone out of whack on how they train and agents are told where (players are) going to go. I would say that’s the craziest part of this thing. You almost don’t want to deal with a rookie, and if you have a first-rounder you spend a lot to get them and to train them. It’s almost better to find a guy that you know is a good football player and have a great relationship with. Who cares if you have a first rounder if you overspent on him? I’d rather have a fourth- or fifth-rounder that you didn’t spend as much on but have a great relationship on. On the rookie side, so much is done for egos. Being (an ex-player, you know) it doesn’t matter where you’re training at and (you know) a guy can train at school, like Garrett did, and had better numbers than probably 95 percent of the guys at the combine. You got to send them here and there, and that’s part of the game. You know a lot of that is BS, but everybody’s doing it.”

On protecting a client while also managing expectations: “You gotta really keep your circle tight on who you do business with. Most people say they can do things and they can’t, and they’re usually marketing people or financial people. One thing that (Arizona State Director of Athletics and former NFL Executive V.P. of Football Operations) Ray Anderson told me is to stick to your principles in this business, and if I don’t know someone, I don’t do business with them. Everybody’s not in this business for the same thing. If you’re going to do business with someone, make sure they’re the same as you, business-wise. If you don’t do business with people you trust, nine times out of 10 they’re going to try to stab you in the back. Everybody says they have a deal for you, but they don’t always have it on paper. All they really want to do is to have a player’s name so they can go shop it around. Good players get great deals, but if you’re not a good player, you won’t get a good deal on or off the field. Nobody’s giving a bad player anything. There’s no marketing deal and no second contract to talk about. Football is football, and (Broncos QB) Peyton Manning is getting deals off the field because he’s a great player. That’s the thing I learned.”

On transitioning from player to agent: “When I played, I was always the type of player that coaches would say, ‘do what he does, follow him,’ and I became a big brother to guys like Robaire Smith and Albert Haynesworth at Tennessee. I was (head coach) Marvin Lewis’ first free agent at Cincinnati, and I tried to help change the perception of the team. Rather than being a dominant player, I did the right thing to prolong my career, and in doing that I became a big brother to players. I also had four agents (during my career), and I was always changing. There was Ray Anderson, Ralph Cindrich, Harold Lewis and David Dunn, and I learned a lot from them in what they do best and what they don’t do so well. Then, I helped Frostee Rucker during his pre-draft process, and while I was helping him, the Lions wanted me to come play because (then-head coach) Jim Schwartz had been my defensive coordinator at Tennessee, so I agreed to it, but two days later, I backed out, and I just said, I have something I want to do. I had made enough money to not have to struggle, and I had this itch to be a manger and be a professional and help guys off the field. I told the agents I would handle my side if you handle your side, and I wasn’t a runner. I was really helping the players through the agent process, and then I was coming out of my pocket as well, so that’s why I was given the opportunity to be a player with really good agents. As far as wanting to be an agent, that was the next step for me as player, mentor, manager, and then being an agent.”

Obstacles

23 Monday Jun 2014

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Lots of people dream of being a sports agent. I get to work with the ones who actually go through with the necessary steps to make that dream a reality, and it’s very rewarding when it works out. But sometimes it doesn’t, and there are some very good reasons for that. Here are two.

1. In the interests of full disclosure, Rand Getlin of Yahoo! Sports is a good friend, and even spoke at our last symposium at the 2014 NFL combine. He occasionally cites me on his Twitter feed or posts stuff that I have on ITL. On Friday, he commented on the University of Texas’ cancellation of its agent day, and what followed was this interplay with one of his followers. Now, I understand that Twitter is where snark reigns, and I know that in today’s post-modern society, everyone’s opinion is to be given equal weight, no matter how without merit. Still, Stosberg’s retort really makes me angry because he clearly has no understanding of the agent process and sees only one side of the argument. Which is really convenient.

Yes, I understand that agents make easy scapegoats.

Yes, I understand that the common perception is that all sports agents are sleeping on piles of money, washing their hair with money, drying themselves off with money after working out, etc., but the vast majority of contract advisors are taking great financial risks on long shot players with no prospect of recovering these fees.

Yes, I recognize that sports masses only know of agents what they see in TV or read online. I realize that there’s even a fair amount of jealousy on the part of some sports fans who wish they had the opportunity to play in the NFL.

Still, isn’t it worth considering that these players have a right to make informed decisions about the people in whose hands they’ll be putting their NFL dreams? Is that unfair? Which leads me to my second item.

2. Check out this story that was in the Texas Tribune (and NYT online) on Sunday, and not just because I’m quoted in it. I think the ‘wow’ moment comes when Drew Pittman, a long-established agent with Domann & Pittman (and yes, Drew and I are also good friends) talks about the money he’s spent with the state just staying certified. Even at that, if he wants to stay in good graces, he’ll stay in his lane and not complain when the University of Texas bars him from speaking to any of its players until the entire regular season has been completed. And he shouldn’t expect the state to go out and bring down the few dirty guys out there. He just needs to stay in his corner, and keep his mouth shut until at least the end of November, with no other contact, and hope he can get lucky based on one quick meeting.

Is that how most multi-million dollar business deals are consummated?

Is that how any multi-million dollar business deals are consummated?

The narrative says that your run-of-the-mill agent is so corrupt that you can’t take any chances. You just have to bar them completely from even speaking to players to preserve these players’ pristine, blameless, innocent amateur status. That’s sad. Still, is it so absurd to suggest that if you’re in the education business, and you care about your players (even after they leave college), you might be interested in educating them? Maybe it is absurd, because most schools hold to this kind of policy. There are very few schools with progressive policies that give players the tools to know what to look for and what to stay away from. That’s a real shame.

These are two examples of what NFL agents have to deal with. The issues look simple, but they’re not. If you’re seeking to work with NFL hopefuls one day, keep this in mind.

Champions

10 Tuesday Jun 2014

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We’ll depart from our discussion of the life of an NFL scout by sharing a success story from a member of the ITL family.

Tyler Lyon is a former quarterback at the University of Arizona with a love for the game and strong roots in the gridiron (his father is the athletic director and former head coach at College of the Canyons in Valencia, Calif.). He wanted to make football his life and profession, so after completing his second year of law school, he decided to pursue a personnel internship with an NFL team.

Yesterday, Tyler emailed me, along with another associate who’d provided help and counsel, Chris Barry of Powerhouse GM, to tell us  he’d been hired to a paid summer internship with the Chargers. Naturally, Chris and I were overjoyed. My first question was, what will be your duties there?

“They said something about evaluating special teams guys,” Tyler said. “Nothing too crazy as far as the evaluation aspect and the opportunity to show what I can do. I’ll be breaking down film, giving guys rides, checking schedules and helping with the busy work they have to do.”

Tyler was kind enough to talk to me about how he made it happen, and there was one recurring theme. He said a major reason he’d made the cut was the support of one of his former coaches that he declined to name.

“The thing I’d tell anyone trying to do this, especially if they had a a college football background, would be to make sure you have a good relationship with (your coaches) because that’s the first person (NFL officials) are going to call. They called my offensive coordinator, and I had gotten injured at the end of my career, and he helped me stay on and help coach, and I think that’s one of the reasons (the Chargers) called was to learn more about me.”

In that respect, Tyler’s story is so common. In the NFL, as in life, you have to have a champion, a person who believes you and who is willing to help. For Lyon, it was his OC. For new Bucs GM Jason Licht, it was his former defensive coordinator at Nebraska, Charlie McBride.

Then there’s Jim Hess, a former Cowboys scout who’s been a bit of a champion for me in my own career. Here, he recounts the story of playing a role in ‘discovering’ Cowboys QB Tony Romo. In this clip, at the :57 mark, he discusses how, throughout his own career, he always had someone helping him get the jobs he earned.

Tyler had the good sense to build great relationships during his playing career, and it helped him beat the odds and get selected from a pile of applications that numbered in the 300s. Obviously, not everyone is talented enough to play college football, but one way or another, succeeding in football often pivots on finding that one person with a giving heart who believes in you.

You might find that champion after you volunteer at a football camp. You might find him after serving as manager of the local football team. It might be as a result of helping high school players find college scholarships. It’s true for people across the football industry, and probably across all professions.

If you’re aspiring to be an NFL scout some day, keep this in mind.

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