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WST: On Marques Colston and the Value of Speed

11 Thursday Jun 2015

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I missed out on War Story Wednesday, so I owe you a decent story. Here’s one from former Saints scout Barrett Wiley, who was with the team in the late 2000s when head coach Sean Payton was new and the team was acquiring parts for its offensive engine under Drew Brees.

Barrett has some interesting things to say about the selection of the Saints’ all-time leader in receptions, Marques Colston, but even more to say about perceptions of playing speed. If you’d like to check out the entire 100 minutes with Barrett, it’s housed on our server at ITL here.

“With Colston, I remember his process (when we were) watching the tape on him and during preparation for the draft, he was a big-bodied guy, an athletic guy who was kind of underdeveloped and raw, and we saw him at . .. the East-West (Shrine) game . . . in San Antonio that year, and he did some things, but it wasn’t what he’s doing now. But you saw that he was a big guy, good hands, but it was just, he’s OK, but just a big guy. We had him as a fourth- or fifth-round talent on our draft board, and we had him in mind for that slot, but other guys jumped him because of a need. It might have been a linebacker or an offensive line man or a defensive lineman.”

For what it’s worth, the Saints took Pro Bowl OG Jahri Evans in the fourth round that year, Patriots 2014 sacks leader DE Rob Ninkovich in the fifth round, wide receiver Mike Hass out of Oregon State in the sixth round, starting Saints offensive tackle Zach Strief later in the sixth, and then Colston four picks before the draft was over. Not a bad draft.

Back to Barrett.

“We didn’t need a wide receiver at that time, but we got down to the seventh round, and he was pretty much the shining star on the board, you have a guy with all the measureables, the physical attributes that you want in a receiver, a project wide receiver, and we couldn’t risk trying to take him as an undrafted free agent, so that’s why he was drafted in the seventh round (252 overall).

“I wanna say he like ran a 4.53-4.55. He wasn’t a blazer, but let’s clear up a misconception. To the average person, to anyone who’s not a professional athlete, if you naturally run a 4.55, or if you naturally run under a 4.6, you’re fast. If I can pull you out of bed, let you warm up, and you can run a 4.55, 4.57, 4.51, you’re a fast human being. If you’re a guy say that can run a 4.31, 4.22, whatever the outlandish times are, those are the guys who are rare. That’s Olympic. They can trade a football for an Olympic baton, and if, someone who’s 6-4 ½, 6-5, and 204-205, that’s moving pretty fast. Randy Moss, he may run a 4.3 or 4.4, but that’s a freak of nature. Whenever you hear guys who are running the 4.4s, those are the guys that are freaks of nature.

“As a combine scout, in the spring, I would time 300 guys. Out of that 300, I would get maybe 25 guys who would run under a 4.6. That tells you right there the percentage of the natural population because, in the springtime, I was evaluating those guys before they went to the speed camps, the personal trainers, all they had was the trainers at their schools. Now, at the bigger schools, the guys would be more advanced physically, but at the smaller schools like Marques Colston’s (Hofstra), or Jackson State, or Arkansas State, a school that had . . .  the program might not be year-round or maybe not as in-depth as a bigger program, if a guy runs a 4.51, I know in the spring when I come back after his senior season, he’ll be a 4.45, maybe a little bit faster once his technique becomes better and he has specific training for this particular drill.

“And then going back to the part about the overall natural speed, you see a guy who runs a 4.5 or lower, might have been five out of 100 in the grand scheme of things. That’s why the misconception about getting caught up in speed, the number on his card at the combine or his pro day doesn’t necessarily mean what he plays to. You can have a guy who runs a 4.6, and if I’m not mistaken, (49ers great) Jerry Rice might have run a 4.65, something like that, but he was never caught from behind and outran cornerbacks. You know, his game speed and his time speed sometimes is two different things. A guy like Colston, he’s a big guy, and you might think he’s slow and lumbering but he has the ability to get up on cornerbacks quickly and get open and catch the ball.”

Being There

29 Friday May 2015

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This week, I wanted to pass along one more note for NFL scouting hopefuls that may or may not help.

When I moved to Houston in ’97, I wanted nothing more than to work on the Houston Chronicle’s sports desk. I was already a Chronicle employee, but I worked for a section of the paper called ThisWeek, a zoned advertising circular that was one step above being a janitor.

Anyway, on Fridays in the fall, the sports department would put out a call to everyone in the building for help during high school football. Of course, I volunteered, but I didn’t really get to show what I could do. The job I had was pretty much to answer the phone and enter statistical information about whatever game the caller had. I sat in a room with about 50 people, and the job we did was about what a monkey could do. But hey, it was pay, and for me, I felt like I was getting closer to hitting the big-time.

However, because I was there, I got to know a few people on the desk, so when the Olympics created extra work, or when the Super Bowl came to town, I got the call. It was after one of those sessions that the sports editor wound up offering me a job on the desk, the one thing I had always wanted. I turned it down, of course, but that’s another story.

The point is, the only reason I got a shot was because I happened to be in Houston, and happened to hear of an opportunity, and after a short time, the right people got to know me and gave me a shot. I wasn’t any better than maybe thousands of people who could do the same work, but the point was that I was already in Houston.

I spoke to two young, aspiring scouts this week, and both of them are located within the metro area of an NFL team. They’ve already learned what it took me years to learn, and they’ve made key contacts with teams and they’re working to make their dreams a reality. As a result, I think both of them have at least a 50-50 shot. But if they weren’t in a specific geographical region, I doubt it would ever happen.

If you are serious about becoming an NFL scout, I recommend you do the same thing. Find a way to get to a nearby town with an NFL team, then find a way to get inside that building. Maybe it’s securing a job working in ticket sales, or volunteering to help with a football-related event (maybe a player’s summer football camp), or anything else that gets you close to someone in the game.

If you can’t get to an NFL city, go to the biggest football-playing school near you and volunteer to do anything. Sweep the floors if necessary. But you’ve got to get your face in front of people who could make things happen for you. Being there is absolutely crucial.

A Happy Ending, Perhaps

22 Friday May 2015

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We got a lot of feedback and traction with our post last Friday discussing a scout dismissed by an NFL team with a serious medical condition. I thought I’d follow up with good news. Maybe it sends you off on the holiday weekend on a positive note.

I got a call today from the person who originally told me about the recently dismissed scout’s plight. He said things are moving in the right direction. I was told that the owner of the scout’s former team got a phone call from an NFL head coach, and the coach was angry. He expressed his frustration to the owner — who apparently had been left in the dark. Now the owner is angry, and he’s moving heaven and earth to resolve things.

The scout, who had a year left on his deal, is still getting paid, but his insurance, which was to expire in six months, is no longer an issue. The owner has assured him the team will see him through his medial situation, no matter what it takes. In addition, the scout, who wished to remain anonymous, gets to remain so.

Now that things have taken a good turn, it will be interesting to see how (if?) it plays out in the media. With this resolution, it’s a perfect time for someone to put a nice bow on things, to talk about how matters with such gravity transcend hirings and firings. Who knows? Maybe even the NFL machine picks it up to make it seem like a heart-warming sign of humanity within a game seen as ultra-violent and volatile. But you’ll know the truth.

At the end of the day, I guess, it doesn’t matter. A man who’s a father and a husband gets some peace of mind. Still, it’s something to watch for in the coming weeks especially as news gets slow and the league looks to turn attention away from Deflategate.

Have a wonderful Memorial Day and don’t forget why we celebrate. May God bless you and your family this weekend.

Here’s An Idea

21 Thursday May 2015

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In this space, I try to encourage people who want a place in football to go their own way, and to find their own route to success. I was talking to a couple friends in football over the past week, one a scout and one who runs all-star games, and they each discussed an idea I’ve always thought about: basically, it’s a combine with pads.

Most folks who run all-star games are football guys. They aren’t TV people and they aren’t ticket sales experts, but they have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to broadcast the games (that’s right — they PAY for air time rather than receiving money for broadcast rights) and hope they get 5,000-6,000 fans at the gate (which is about right for most all-star games). What they’d like to focus on, usually, is compiling a talented roster of players and some good coaches, then making sure NFL teams have all the information they need.

So what if they could just focus on their areas of expertise? What if there was a week of practice without a game? What if a game could run full-contact workouts that were more than just the 90-minute exercises, often not even in pads, that you see at all-star games?

What if you brought in the top 330 or so players and ran them through workouts on three adjacent fields? You started on Monday, had weigh-ins and covered plays, then turned the players loose for three days of head-to-head action? If the league got on board with it, this model could revolutionize the game, giving players more time to prepare for their pro day and potentially eliminating the need for a combine, or at least reducing its importance.

There are a couple of holdups. No. 1 is money, of course. The NFL is always reluctant to open its wallet, especially when there’s a reasonably good facsimile of an idea already in place (minor league football, anyone?). The other hurdle is that the league hates change. People from all walks of football have told me this, and it’s the only reason in the world why teams essentially conduct 32 different scouting operations rather than centralizing the obvious things like weigh-ins (for instance, why do 32 teams’ scouts sit in one room, writing down heights and weights with pencil and paper, when one intern could do it for all of them?).

So, there are always holdups, but there’s an idea, ready to go and on the house. Would it be an easy sell? Of course not. But I feel, and others I talk to feel, that it’s an idea whose time has come.

Random Scouting Thoughts

19 Tuesday May 2015

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After a few conversations with scouts, here are a couple of observations about the business and how, perhaps, to land a position in scouting and, once you’ve got it, how to keep it.

  • One scout told me the biggest part of his job is getting a GM, head coach or other superior to see what he’s seen and likes. In other words, when the scouting staff is watching film, it’s important the team sees film of a prospect not when he’s hurt, but when he’s healthy. If a team looks at a player when he’s coming off an ankle injury, or has a bum shoulder, or whatever, the opinion of his ability will be very different from when he was at full strength. This scout takes a personal interest in seeing that such film is what goes on the screen. I know of another scout who got a player drafted because he went back to the player’s junior-year film, when the young man was playing his best position, rather than focusing solely on what the player was doing as a senior. That scout received a promotion this year, and it was well-deserved. That’s way more than just doing the minimum. You’ve got to make sure the player is seen in his best light. That’s how you find stars that are off other teams’ radars.
  • In talking to agents, I hear a lot about how a player’s off-field issues don’t matter or at least don’t matter as much. In speaking to a scout recently, he made it clear off-field is as important as on. It’s because getting to class, getting to meetings on time, taking the steps to stay healthy, learning the playbook, being where you’re supposed to be, and everything else ‘outside the lines’ is what keeps you successful inside them. It shows maturity and a successful personality. Coaches in the NFL lack the bandwidth to be on a kid all day every day just to make sure he does what he’s supposed to.
  • I know of a scout who’s looking for a helper, an assistant, and he said he’s made a point of looking for someone who has paid his dues, working for free at times and changing places (jobs, schools) in his campaign to get to the NFL. “That guy isn’t going to expect anything to be handed to him,” my friend said. “He will know that he must work hard without me telling him.”
  • Believe it or not, scouts are not given carte blanche by some agents, and certainly by many college teams. I heard today of an agent who told a high-level scout he couldn’t have access to a draft-eligible player. “Tell me what you want and I’ll get it from him,” this agent told the scout. It’s no surprise his client went undrafted despite being among the top prospects at his position. If you represent a player, do everything possible to satisfy requests made by NFL teams. Don’t do anything to have your client taken off the board, as this agent’s client was.

Cold, hard reality

15 Friday May 2015

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I got a phone call from a friend on Wednesday. Before he would go forward with the call, he made me promise I wouldn’t disclose where he got the information he was about to tell me. That’s not unusual, and I gave my word.

As you know if you read this blog regularly, this is the time of year when scouts get fired. Despite what some people claim on Twitter, it’s not a knee-jerk reaction to some missed picks on draft weekend. In most cases, these changes were planned months ago, when there was a shift in power due to a new GM, a newly empowered head coach, a team looking to cut back, or whatever.

Anyway, my friend told me one of the 15-20 scouts who’s been shuffled out the door in the last couple weeks has a serious medical condition. It’s a brain tumor, in fact. I don’t have any details — I don’t know if it’s operable, or whether or not the scout has a contract that will pay him for another year(s) with attendant health insurance. All I know is that it’s a man with a family and serious medical questions clouding his future. My friend was beside himself.

“I mean, they knew he had a brain tumor,” he said. “They let him go anyway. It would have been so much easier to say, ‘we’re going to make a change, but we’re going to work this out.’ But they didn’t do that.”

My friend then told me I could do what I want with the information. I gotta say, I don’t quite know what to do.

First off, I don’t know the scout, and given that this is pretty sensitive information, I’m just not sure that it would be right to expose this. If we’re talking about a situation that can be handled quietly, it’s probably better to leave it alone. If it becomes widely known that he’s suffering with this condition, it probably makes him unemployable.

On the other hand, a team that would do something like this, well, it probably deserves to be exposed. But that’s hard to do given that I have one source on this, and really lack the fundamentals of the story. Without the team’s side of things, it’s hard to pick on them. What if they did take care of him? What if my friend lacks some key details?

So I’m in a bit of a quandary, but for what it’s worth, I don’t doubt what I was told. Scouts are generally seen as disposable. It’s a business, pure and simple, and just one more reason to choose wisely if you’re considering evaluation as your career path.

Here Today, Gone Tomorrow

08 Friday May 2015

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This week, on our Twitter page, we’ve broken several stories of scouts hired and fired. Let’s take a look at the potential downsides and risks of a career in evaluation.

It’s who you know: Unless your last name is the same as an NFL owner, you’ve got an uphill battle. Nepotism is rampant in personnel evaluation and team administration circles. If you don’t believe it, look at the front office page on a couple team websites (here’s one glaring example). With few exceptions, you’ll find that these jobs are not purely merit-based.

Beating the odds: Of course, not every NFL scout or high-level executive had a dad who worked in the league, but no two employment stories are the same. I remember asking an NFL GM once how a young person gets hired as a scouting assistant. His response: “Why? You know somebody?” It’s very strongly referral-based in most cases. On the other hand, the Titans, for example, ask applicants to pursue scouting assistant jobs through the HR department, which is a great way to make it fair and balanced but also makes it doubly hard to stand out. And once you make a team, it’s like you’re always on thin ice. I work with one young person who’s a scouting assistant in the league. We talk all the time about how tenuous his position is. He wants to climb the ladder, but he knows how lucky he is just to be on the ladder.

No backup plan: Lots of scouts build a 20-year career, then one day their boss gets fired, the team cleans house, and he’s on the street. Now this scout’s probably middle-aged and has spent almost his whole life watching football games and evaluating talent. That’s an extremely limited skill-set, and only 32 organizations in all the world are willing to pay a true living wage for it. This means you spend your whole life trying to get back in. I remember about five years ago I tracked down a scout that had landed a job as an assistant o-line coach at a small school after getting sacked the previous May. My idea was to pay him a couple bucks, maybe $50, to get his thoughts on any potential NFL prospects he saw that season. He laughed at me, and was pretty dismissive about it when I finally reached him. I mean, I looked at it as a chance to throw him an extra tank of gas or a bag of groceries in exchange for a helpful conversation. He was looking at it as me trying to exploit his life’s work for milk money. At the end of the day, he was still waiting for someone to ride in on a white horse and save him, restore him to the life (and job) he once knew. Five years later, that still hasn’t happened.

No scarcity: Maybe 20 years ago, being a scout was an incredibly popular idea for a young person. However, in the last 20 years, with the rise of fantasy football as well as the multiple scouting websites and analysts around, I’d guess the demand has doubled or tripled. Everyone feels he’s qualified, and can use all the buzzwords. Then there’s the proliferation of sports management programs at universities across the land, as well as some services that prey on young people, teaching them that there’s a certain certification they can earn that will enhance their chances.  All this means that young folks are tripping all over themselves, willing to work for free in many cases, for a chance to get aboard a team. They are probably far more qualified than ever before, but it’s still a numbers game.

Changing fortunes: Let’s say you work your way up to GM, and you start getting plaudits as a boy wonder. Or maybe you come from the right GM ‘tree’ or ‘family,’ and you are hired and attain instant success. Then your team misses the playoffs once or twice, maybe due to injuries or bad breaks, and suddenly your evaluation power is stripped from you. Where do you go from there? You don’t have the tools to prove yourself again, and you’re not doing the one thing that’s most rewarding in the business, so you either play out the string and try to hold onto what you have, or you resign and hope someone else is willing to give you another shot. Once again, very tenuous.

As I often say in this space, the rewards of working in football are great, and there’s nothing like pursuing your passion. Still, know the risks and the potential downsides.

WSW: Blame Game

06 Wednesday May 2015

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When a young man’s dreams come crashing down abruptly, as they did for hundreds of young men this weekend, things can get crazy. Here’s one of the craziest examples of this that I’ve seen in years.

Shortly after the season was completed, probably in November, I got an email from a draft hopeful for ’15. He played an unglamorous position at a small school, but he was eager and I liked his attitude, even though I feared he was a bit of a self-promoter and maybe a little unrealistic about the challenges he faced. He wanted me to feature him in this space and help him along the path to the draft. I told him I do this for lots of young men and that I run a for-profit venture, and offered to help if he’d come aboard briefly. No surprise, I never heard from him again.

It was maybe a month later that I got a text from one of my agent clients, an incredibly hard-working and driven new contract advisor who’s been in the game a short while. This young agent wears his emotions on his sleeve and lives and dies every day for his clients. He will not be denied, and takes on a lot of long shots in an effort to get ahead. I cautioned him that his time was/is valuable, and his efforts promoting this young man might not lead anywhere. Still, my friend pressed on, pitching him to a scouting expert who is a mutual friend.

The scout told my friend about what I had told him — that his NFL chances were exceptionally long and that it was probably not worth his time to work with him. My friend wouldn’t hear it, and instead sent him to a special trainer that worked on his flexibility and movement in addition to the usual combine prep. Days before the draft, my friend was really encourage and hopeful of his client’s chances, as most agents are. I shared his enthusiasm, and even started to believe that this young man might beat the odds. Apparently, his family and friends were absolutely certain that he would.

Then the draft came and went with no calls. Saturday night came and went with no calls. This did not go over well with the player’s family, and so the phone calls started to my friend. Over and over, different members of the young man’s family called. They blamed the agent for his predicament. They told him he had ruined the young man’s chances of going to the NFL. They called other people, trying to get them to tout the young man in an attempt to embarrass my friend, who was only guilty of believing in an against-the-odds player. On Saturday night, I told my friend to fire the player. This was hard to do, because it would leave the young man high and dry, but it would also formally end my friend’s chances of reclaiming his several-thousand-dollar investment in him.

My friend got a phone call at 6 a.m. on Sunday morning. It was the player’s brother “waking him up” so he could start calling teams and cajoling them into taking the player. At that point, I became more adamant that my friend fire this young man. As of today, the young man still has no job, but as far as I know, my friend still represents him.

The player got some interest from well-meaning but less-than-credible websites and he did several interviews and got some attention, and he accomplished a few things in workouts that got him acclaim. But none of this was going to overcome his shortcomings on the field.

If you’re aspiring to represent players in this league, understand that what happened to my friend isn’t entirely a fluke. Someone has to take the blame when a player’s dreams don’t come true. Most often, it’s the agent. That’s why I encourage you not to take on hopeless cases, expecting gratitude. More often than not, you won’t get it anyway. Find the best player you can, but don’t take on reclamation projects and don’t take on hopeless cases. In the end, it’s only going to create heartache, probably before and definitely after the draft.

Here Comes The Broom

04 Monday May 2015

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On Twitter, there’s been a lot of attention to some of the teams that are making scouting changes this week. It’s a pretty normal, seasonal thing, and not a reaction to what happened last weekend.

To give an example, this is our grid from last year showing the various behind-the-scenes changes that took place in scouting departments across the league. It was actually a pretty normal year, nothing like the 2012 offseason when about double the number of changes took place.

Anyway, here’s the list from last year. If you’d like to see the complete changes from 2013, click here, and for 2012, click here (warning, they’re pay links):

Name Former team Former position New team New position
Aligo, Scott No. Colorado Defensive ends coach Browns Player Personnel Associate
Anderson, Alan Lions Pro personnel asst Lions BLESTO scout
Anderson, Darren Lions BLESTO scout Lions Regional scout
Bailey, Charles Jaguars Pro Personnel Director (2008) Browns Senior Player Personnel Associate
Biehl, Mike Chargers Asst. Director of College Scouting Bucs Director of College Scouting
Blaylock, Brent Browns Area scout TBA
Boller, Dave Jets Area scout TBA
Bollinger, Russ Rams Area scout (2012) Falcons Player Personnel Scout
Boyd, Malik Cardinals Western Regional Scout Cardinals Asst Director of Pro Scouting
Bradway, Mike Eagles Regional Scout Eagles Asst. Director of College Scouting
Brown, Morocco Redskins Director of Pro Personnel Browns Vice President of Player Personnel
Canty, Zac Cardinals NFS scout Cardinals Area scout (Northeast)
Chapple, Colton Browns Scouting assistant Browns BLESTO scout
Colombo, Marc Dolphins Offensive tackle (2011) Cowboys Scouting assistant
Culmer, Chris Cardinals Area scout (West) Cardinals Western Regional Scout
DeLuca, Sam Eagles Pro personnel intern Browns Player Personnel Associate
DePaul, Bobby Sacramento (UFL) Director of Player Personnel Browns Senior Player Personnel Associate
Devaney, Billy Rams General Manager (2011) Falcons Player Personnel Scout
Dixon, Gerald The Citadel Assistant coach Bills Pro Scout
Edgerly, Frank Browns Senior Pro Scout Browns Assistant Coach
Forsyth, Brad Bills Area scout TBA
Gaine, Brian Dolphins Assistant General Manager Texans Director of Pro Personnel
Glenn, Aaron Jets Pro personnel asst Browns Assistant DBs coach
Hagen, Mike Toronto (CFL) Director of Player Personnel Browns Area scout
Hastings, Joe Dolphins Player (2013) Eagles Pro Personnel Assistant
Hill, Ron NFL offices Vice President of Football Operations Browns Senior Player Personnel Associate
Ireland, Jeff Seahawks 14 draft consultant TBA
Jauch, Jim Seahawks Area scout TBA
Kelleher, Joe Lions Regional Scout Lions College Scouting Coordinator/Regional scout
Kirkland, James Titans Pro Scout TBA
Kuharich, Bill Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Browns Executive Chief of Staff
Lindsey, Matt Eagles Scouting intern Eagles College Scouting Coordinator
Lohman, Rob Lions College Scouting Coordinator/Regional scout Lions Assistant Director of Pro Personnel
MacPherson, James Pima CC Asst coach Chargers Area scout
Manocherian, Matt Browns Area scout TBA
McCalmon, Miller Lions Asst. Director of Pro Personnel Retired
McCloughan, Scot Seahawks Senior Personnel Executive TBA
McKinnie, Silas Lions Area scout Retired
Mueller, Rick Eagles Player Personnel Executive Eagles Director of Player Personnel
Munsey, Bret Eagles Area scout Redskins Offensive assistant
Murphy, Mike Dolphins Regional Scout TBA
Myers, Ryan Eagles Pro Scout Eagles Area scout (Northeast)
Nunn, Bill Steelers College Personnel Deceased
Obee, Brad Eagles Area scout (Northeast) Eagles Area scout (Southwest)
Palko, Luke Cardinals Area scout (Southeast) Cardinals Cross-checker (East)
Pitcher, Dan Colts Scouting assistant Colts Pro Scout
Rager, Cody Dolphins Area scout TBA
Ritcher, Harrison Browns Scouting intern Browns Player Personnel Associate
Ritcher, John Cardinals Area scout (Northeast) Cardinals Area scout (Southeast)
Roberts, Daron Browns Defensive quality control Texans Pro Scout
Robinson, Jon Patriots Director of College Scouting Dolphins Director of Player Personnel
Rogers, Kevin Jr. Colts Assoc. Director of Pro Personnel Colts Director of Pro Personnel
Rosenberg, Jake Eagles Manager of Football Administration Eagles Director of Football Administration
Sandusky, Jon Browns Director of Player Personnel Browns Player Personnel Associate
Schoen, Joe Dolphins Asst. Director of College Scouting Dolphins Director of Player Personnel
Scobey, Josh Cardinals Pro scout Cardinals Area scout (West)
Shaw, Jon Colts Pro Scout Colts Pro Scout/Special Projects
Sheridan, Justin Buccaneers Area scout Chargers Area scout
Speyer, Andy Eagles Area scout Bucs National Scout
Stephenson, Jamaal Vikings Asst. Director of College Scouting Vikings Director of College Scouting
Stigall, Johnathan Browns Area scout Jets Area scout
Stokes, Eric Buccaneers Director of College Scouting Dolphins Assistant GM
Studwell, Scott Vikings Director of College Scouting Vikings TBA
Turner, Seth Buccaneers Area scout Jets Area scout
Wright, Larry Texans Pro Scout Texans Assistant Director of Pro Personnel
Young, Theo Bills Area scout TBA

 

Mike Murphy: Three Scouting Observations

27 Monday Apr 2015

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As we close in on the 2015 NFL Draft, I wanted to pass along a few interesting thoughts I got by interviewing Friend of ITL Mike Murphy last week. Mike has been with the Seahawks, Cowboys and Dolphins, giving him insights on the way the Packers (Ted Thompson), Saints (Jeff Ireland), Redskins (Scott McCloughan) and Cowboys (Jerry Jones) will be doing things this week, given the executives he worked with during his NFL days.

Mike was recently hired as the Director of Player Personnel at the University of Colorado, where he evaluates players in the recruiting process. I’ll pass along his thoughts and then provide my own thoughts and feedback.

  • Mike on signing and paying undrafted free agents: “(Senior Personnel Executive) Scot McCloughan and (Vice President of Football Operations) Ted Thompson ran the process then, and you were allowed to offer up to $5,000 and if you wanted to go over that, you had to go to Ted. I was on the phone with a kid and (GM Mike) Holmgren said, ‘Come on, Murphy, let’s get let’s get this thing done.’ I had an agent who wouldn’t budge, so he said, ‘Give me the phone.’ And Holmgren said, ‘how much is it gonna take to get this kid? $15,000? Done.’ Then he said, ‘See? This is how it’s done,’ and I said, ‘Give me $15,000 and I’ll get it done.’”
  • My takeaway here is that much of the money for undrafted players is pretty cut and dried. If you read my post last week discussing the player who lost out on a roster space because his agent passed on an initial offer from a team, you know you don’t want that to happen to you. Be very careful if you want to negotiate and ‘play agent’ during those 2-3 hours after the draft.
  • Mike on teams’ draft boards: “Some teams have 600 guys on their draft board. . . We only had 120-125 guys on the board in Miami, and more guys in Seattle, but some of it was window dressing. It’s all going through the same Ron Wolf theory. You have to have a formula you use. If you’re drafting in the top ten, you need 10 guys on the board, and as you go later, you have to have 80-85 percent of the guys possibly drafted at that pick in that round entering the draft. You have a tall running back on the board, he’s a good player but who maybe doesn’t fit your parameters. It’s window dressing.”
  • I used to think NFL teams had every draftable player on their boards, just in case, so they could have a full picture of the draft class. That’s not the case at all. Once you get down to it, there are only so many players that a team feels can make its roster in any given draft class. Once again, the NFL is not for good players, it’s for great players, or at least those that project as possibly great.
  • Mike on the influence of the media: “I think the media put the pressure on NFL owners and executives and they need to satisfy the media. You got to be strong and not listen to it, and do what you feel is right for the team, and the media isn’t in your draft room. They don’t know.
  • To me, this means if I have a player that has gotten plenty of media attention — maybe he was a try-hard QB on a great college team, or maybe he’s had drug or legal issues that the press doesn’t know about — I sell him hard to the teams with GMs or head coaches in tenuous positions. I put the media and its expectations to work for me.

If you’re interested in reading more from Mike — and I highly recommend it, especially if you’re a first- or second-year agent — click here.

 

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