WST: A Broncos Scout’s take on the ’11 Draft

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Last week, we checked in with former Broncos scout Cal McCombs, who now runs personnel for the annual Medal of Honor Bowl in Charleston, S.C. After talking to Cal about the ’10 draft last week, I thought I’d pick his brain a bit about the 2011 draft, which also turned up a few gems in Denver.

Though Cal left after the combine and wasn’t actually in the war room on Draft Day 2011, the team had already charted its course when he departed in late February. Here are his thoughts on two stars the team selected that spring.

On drafting Texas A&M’s Von Miller No. 2 overall in 2011: “One of the reasons we had to take a guy like that high was that we had drafted a guy in the first round from Tennessee a year back (Robert Ayers, drafted eighteenth overall), and he wasn’t the quick-twitch guy we thought he was (Ayers has 17 career sacks through six seasons). We had (Louisville DE) Elvis Dumervil that we had gotten in the draft earlier (4/126 in 2006), and he was a steal, and Dumervil had come on like gangbusters, so we had one on one side that could do something and we needed someone on the other side.”

On drafting Portland St. TE Julius Thomas in the fourth round in 2011: With the Thomas kid, I think the thought process when I was there is, we had (TE Tony Scheffler, chosen 2/61 in 2006) who could stretch the middle of the field, and then another tight end named Daniel Graham from Colorado (signed as a free agent by the Broncos in ’07). We had those two (but) Scheffler got traded to Detroit (in April 2010), and Graham was on his last legs, and (new head coach) Josh (McDaniels) wanted a tight end because they were big on tight ends at New England, and (Thomas) was a heck of an athlete and Josh wanted somebody that could catch the ball. Now, Julius wasn’t the most courageous blocker, but he could catch the ball. (Josh) needed somebody that could get open at the tight end position, and the blocking was secondary, because at Denver we had Graham that was the blocker. Josh’s primary thinking — and this is me speculating — but his primary thought was that (Thomas) was an athletic guy that could catch the football. Josh had hired a (scout) named Adam Peters that took over the West Coast, and when we were there, I remember Adam was really high on (TE Rob) Gronkowski (who had attended Arizona). I think they saw some of that kind of thing in Thomas, and (Thomas) came in there and didn’t have much football experience, and was a former basketball player, but he was able to learn what they wanted him to do and they got him to do what they wanted.”

Re: Haynesworth’s Letter

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By now, you’ve probably read the letter former Titans and Redskins DT Albert Haynesworth wrote to himself at 14 years old. To me, it’s quite provocative.

There has been plenty of reaction to it online, of course, much of which I’ve studiously tried to avoid. Everyone has their opinion of Haynesworth, and that includes me. Though I often think the media exaggerates players’ behaviors, I think it’s safe to say Haynesworth was not a good guy over the course of his NFL career. That doesn’t make him different from a lot of players out there, of course.

At any rate, here are a couple of points I think are relevant after reading his letter.

  • I think a lot of players would make very similar points after concluding their careers. I don’t think Haynesworth is a victim, exactly, but I do think that at some points, he was taken advantage of. Of course, the same can be said of virtually every man, woman and child in America, but that doesn’t make it right.
  • Lots and lots of players are ‘played’ by people with influence. Haynesworth charges that someone that Tennessee head coach Phil Fulmer put him in contact with wound up taking his money. That’s tragic but also not uncommon. These young men have so many people coming at them that it’s really hard to know which ones are genuine. How do players reconcile friendship with management? How do they walk the line between finding someone they can trust and someone who is competent? How do they know when someone that is referred to them is really worthy of their confidence? I have no idea. I thought a lot of the ‘Broke’ documentary that was such a popular ’30 for 30′ feature for ESPN was self-aggrandizing, but a lot of it was right on the money (no pun intended).
  • “Sure, you only benched as much as some of the safeties at the combine, but you can run. You have that short-burst playing power. You’re going to be a better athlete than 85 percent of the offensive linemen you’re up against.” If you’re an agent, print this sentence out and tape it to your mirror. I can’t tell you how many times a young agent brags to me about how many 225 reps his client can do. Know what? Nobody cares. Bench reps are something that are easy to improve in the weight room. Fast-twitch muscle fiber and the ability to be explosive — that’s what NFL teams will pay for.
  • Maybe, just maybe, this story ends happily for Albert. If you read the last couple paragraphs, which describe him flipping properties and actually getting his hands dirty working to improve homes, you see someone who ‘got it.’ This is something that many players never understand. They think their post-career life will be every bit as successful as their pre-retirement life. The work doesn’t end. The players that succeed apply the same work ethic after their playing days are over that they applied during their league days. That may be humbling but it’s true.

I know a lot of these points are pretty on-the-nose, but I thought I’d offer my input. Any surprises that you saw in his letter? I’d love to hear about it in the comments section.

All-Star Difficulties

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If you read Wednesday’s post, you know who Cal McCombs is. During the course of our conversation, we discussed the all-star game he works with, the Charleston, S.C.-based Medal of Honor Bowl.

I’m always interested in the inner workings of jobs in football, so I asked Cal what he found to be the hardest part of his job. He said his challenges are much the same of most NFL teams, i.e., finding impact players in the later rounds, because most of the players that come to the lower-ranked games fit that profile.

“It’s easy to find the find the first-, second- and third-rounders,” he said. “Those guys fall off the board. But finding out who can make the team in the fourth or fifth or sixth round is much more difficult.

“What we’re doing now is what we were doing at Denver. We were trying to find the fourth-, fifth- and sixth-round guys, and we had 10 drafted.”

What makes it tougher is that other games can easily cannibalize the Medal of Honor Bowl’s roster. In that respect, it’s not a lot different from major-college recruiting.

“We had some other kids that would have been drafted,” Cal said. “(Senior Bowl Executive Director) Phil Savage calls me the week before our game and says, ‘I gotta take (Florida OC Max) Garcia and (Northwestern FS Ibraheim) Campbell,’ and both of those guys are drafted, and there was also one that got hurt from Florida that got drafted (and couldn’t play in the MOH Bowl), so it’s been fun finding the late-round draft picks.”

After speaking to Cal, I wanted to explore the topic further, so I reached out to a couple other friends who ran games during the ’15 draft cycle. One was Jose Jefferson, Executive Director of the College Gridiron Showcase held in Arlington last year. While he agrees with Cal on the personnel aspect of things, he sees the finances as the toughest part.

“On a business standpoint, there isn’t a great return on the money that’s needed to maintain it,” he said. “In the end, the profit center is the biggest hurdle. I would be interested to know if the investors in the (other all-star) bowls see their money back, let alone profit.

“As for players, I think that is the fun part. For us, it was getting to the lower-level scouts. They are the ones trying to prove themselves, so when you talk to them about guys, they are usually going to give you their top guy they are scouting.   That’s the purpose of these games, to expose the hidden gem. (Ravens draftee) Tray Walker from Texas Southern was our highest pick from our game, fourth round. Truth be told, there is a kid as good or better than him waiting for his shot.”

I rounded it out by calling another friend, Johnny Meads, a former NFL linebacker and ex-Titans scout who is now the Midwest ‘recruiter’ (i.e., scout) for the NFLPA Collegiate Bowl. Johnny said identifying the talent is hard, but convincing a player to attend the NFLPA game and not wait for another call is the hardest part.

“A lot of the guys think they’re going to be at the Senior Bowl,” he said. “Everybody thinks he’s a first-round draft pick, so they’re going to hold out and wait for an invitation from them. The other thing is getting those guys to the game when they’re also playing in the (college football) playoffs, or whatever, in their conferences, and hard to get in contact with them that way. There’s a great number of things that (make it hard) to get them there. Identifying the challenges is kinda difficult, but the players themselves are tough as they’re trying to figure out who they are. Often, they’re D2 or D3 players and they think they’re all-stars.”

 

WSW: Recollections of the ’10 Broncos Draft

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I wanted to get back to some deep draft talk for today’s war story, so I called Cal McCombs, who runs the personnel side for the Charleston, SC-based Medal of Honor Bowl. The MOH Bowl is entering its third year, and Cal and his team have done an excellent job of finding late-round talent.

Cal was with the Broncos from 2007-11 as an area scout, and in 2010, the team drafted nine players. All but two of them are still active in the league, and two of them, Broncos WO Demaryius Thomas and Jets WO Eric Decker, are bona fide stars in the league. That’s a bonanza, one of the better drafts in the last decade, and has set the team up for perennial playoff runs.

Cal shared a few of his recollections from that draft with me this morning, and I thought I’d pass them along.

Thomas (taken in the first round, 22nd overall): Cal said the team took Thomas as a pure need pick in the wake of having traded WO Brandon Marshall two weeks before the draft. “We already had the QB, Kyle Orton, that we had received (in the trade of Jay Cutler to the Bears), so we had a proven QB, but the receiver corps at that time was not real strong. You take Brandon Marshall out of there, and now you don’t have the big guy that can take the ball away from somebody. I think the logic behind (the pick) was that you take a big strong receiver (Thomas is 6-3, 229) that can run (4.38 speed), and that’s a powerful combination.”

Cal said the team’s scouts knew about Thomas’ tools, but what cemented the pick was his attitude. “The thing I loved about him was that here’s a guy who had been one of the top(-rated receivers in the draft), and watching him on film, he may have been the best blocking receiver I had ever seen. My thoughts were not that that’s going to be a big thing in the pros, but to me, it showed me that this kid is really an unselfish kid. For him to go through his senior year and not complain about not having the ball thrown to him, and going out there and doing what (Georgia Tech head coach) Paul (Johnson) told him to do (was impressive).”

QB Tim Tebow (1/25): Cal said the team had no illusions about the offense Tebow had played in at Florida or his delivery. Still, his toughness and winning attitude were endearing. “(New head coach) Josh (McDaniels) felt he could help his accuracy and delivery. Taking Tebow would make a splash, and he had to do something to put the Cutler thing to rest. That’s totally speculation, but the guy who made the final decision on Cutler was Josh.”

Cal said he gave Tebow his full endorsement. “I wanted to take him, but a lot of the other guys didn’t. They didn’t see him as the ‘stereotype’ kind of quarterback.” Cal is still a believer: “I look at it this way, and this is just an old scout talking about it, but you have 32 teams carrying three quarterbacks, and you can’t tell me Tebow isn’t one of the top hundred quarterbacks out there right now.”

WO Eric Decker (3/87): Cal said not everyone was sold on the Minnesota pass-catcher, mainly because many scouts were still sore from passing on Ole Miss WO Mike Wallace in the second round the year before. Many in the war room still felt the team needed a deep threat. “He could catch anything, but he wasn’t the fastest guy in the world, and he didn’t give you the top speed. (In the 2009 draft), there was the kid at Ole Miss, Wallace, that could fly, and we hadn’t taken him in the second round that year (despite having three second-round picks), and (the Steelers) had taken him in the third round. He was everything they wanted him to be. (So in 2010,) we didn’t have anybody that could take the top off the defense. We had (WO Eddie) Royal, who was a good slot guy, but not anybody that could just blow by people.”

Another Success Story

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We try to celebrate the victories of those who take the long road to success in football in this space. I can’t think of anyone who fits that description more than Rand Getlin, the former Yahoo! Sports writer who announced today that he’ll be joining the NFL Network. Let me tell you Rand’s story of success, at least from my point of view.

My association with Rand started in the early days of ITL, probably around 2005 or 2006. At the time, Rand had gotten to know Josh Luchs, an L.A.-based agent at the Gersh Agency who had a sizeable NFL agent practice. Josh went on to write an article you might have read — if you haven’t read it, stop right now and do so —  followed by a book you might have read, but that’s a story for another day. Rand cut his teeth with Josh after Luchs had ‘gone straight,’ but in short order, Josh got out of the business, leaving Rand a bit stranded.

I think it was after Josh had left the agent world that Rand became an ITL subscriber, somewhere around 2007 or ’08. At the time, Rand was not content to just attend the prestigious USC law school, but also serve as half of a libertarian think tank, the Prometheus Institute (here’s a story about his work there). Like most people who get a taste of the football business, Rand wasn’t ready to give up, so he took his passion for the game and the players in it and started a service aimed at educating schools about the agent process. Long story short, the goal was to protect young men playing the game from being the next ones featured on ‘Broke.’ Despite a couple years of fighting tooth and nail to interest schools, he got no traction. Sadly, he learned that schools’ football interests don’t always intersect with players’ interests once they’re done. We kept in touch through his struggles, but lost touch when he finally shelved it.

The next time I heard from Rand, he had earned his way into a role with Yahoo! Sports. How he landed that, despite no formal ‘big journalism’ experience, is a story best-told by Rand, but bottom line, he quickly evolved into a prize-winning writer, penning some of the most intriguing stories in the football business over the last 3-5 years (here’s one of them). After a well-earned reputation as a highly connected news-breaker, he’s taken the next big step in his career, and I’m sure you’ll soon see him with a prominent on-air role.

There are three things I love about Rand’s story, besides the fact it’s awesome to see a good friend make the big-time. One, Rand is entrepreneurial. He wasn’t content to try only traditional jobs in the business. He tried identifying markets to attack, putting his own spin on things until he broke through. Second, he doesn’t quit. He hit road blocks in the agent world, then in his own college education venture, but never quite trying. That’s incredibly important. Third, he’s a regular guy who gives credit to people who helped him along the way. He’s been a guest at our annual combine seminar (he knocked it out of the park, by the way), and he’s always been a true friend of ITL. I can’t say that about everyone I’ve worked with.

If you’ve never heard of Rand, follow him on Twitter (especially if you like cars as much as you like football). But more importantly, take inspiration from Rand’s story. He started with no connections and built a career on his smarts and hard work. You can do it, too.

WST: Small-School Obstacles

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Last week, we got a lot of good feedback from our War Story Wednesday conversation with former NFL defensive back and ex-Saints area scout James Jefferson. Today (thought it’s Thursday), I wanted to continue the discussion with James (here’s the entire interview) and get a few insights on small-school players.

As a former player at Division II Texas A&M-Kingsville (it was Texas A & I when James attended in the mid-80s), James has a keen understanding about what small-school players face. In fact, James went first to the CFL (with Winnipeg from ’86-’88) before launching his NFL career with the Seahawks in 1988.

James provides his thoughts on small-schoolers below, and I’ve added my own comments and thoughts after each passage. Enjoy.

  • “Jerry Angelo, who (served as GM of the Bears from 2001-‘11), when he was with (the New York Giants from 1982-1986 as a regional scout), he told me, don’t go (to the CFL). He sat right out here in this parking lot (after James’ pro day in the spring of 1986) and he tried to talk me out of going to Canada. He (told me he) would have the general manager here (the) next week because of some numbers he received in my scouting report (entering James’ senior season at Texas A&M-Kingsville). He showed me they had me running 4.6 (on the preseason scouting report), and I had run faster than that in high school.”

The two companies that provide a ‘primer’ for draftable players, BLESTO and National Football Scouting, have a big job. Often, especially when it comes to smaller schools at out-of-the-way places, 40 times are estimated by scouts or provided by coaches. This means one of the fundamental metrics for player evaluation is a best guess. This is one reason small-school players (and even big-school players, at times) get overlooked.

  • “(Angelo) really liked me as a player, and back, then you could kind of hide guys and do things, and I had switched from playing running back for three years to defensive back, and that was my first time. Nobody had really ever got to see me, and I didn’t even start the first two games my senior year at corner, so that was a little different.”

Late position changes are another big reason small-school (and, again, even bigger-school players) get overlooked. There’s a learning curve involved when a player moves to a new position, but when he comes from an athletic position to a high-impact position (running back to cornerback, tight end to offensive tackle), you often find a player who makes a late rush up the draft charts.

  • “We were fortunate (with the Saints in the early ‘00s) because Jim Haslett was the head coach there and (he had been) a D2 guy at Indiana (Pa.).”

For varying reasons, some teams value small-school players more than others. Teams with coaches and/or scouts that took circuitous routes to the league (small school, other leagues, etc.) are a prime example. The Colts, under GM Ryan Grigson, are one team that tends to look ‘outside the box’ to find talent. Grigson scouted and coached in the CFL and AFL before reaching the NFL.

  • “When I look at all the D2 guys, they have to dominate. That’s instilled in all the scouts. At a D2 school, they have to dominate. You can’t afford to go out and have a bad game, because they’ll assume you’re not playing against the greatest talent week in and week out. In D1, you may go out and have a bad game because you may have two first-rounders going against each other, two second-rounders going after each other, and somebody’s gotta lose. . . (In D2), you were supposed to dominate that guy, and if this guy catches six or seven passes on you and beats you for two or three touchdowns, and he’s not on anybody’s radar, you must not be that good. That can happen at a D1 school, and it’s just, ‘well, he had a bad day.’”

In Division II, and in FCS as well, players have far less margin for error. A player has to stick out like a sore thumb. His dominance has to be evident to casual observers. If that’s not the case, he’s probably not a prospect. I know this is hard to take for many agents representing small-schoolers (as well as the players themselves), but it’s no less true.

Getting Through The Gate

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June is fun for me because it’s the month I spend interviewing my new agent clients who had first-year success. I get to hear the personal stories of the 10 percent of all new contract advisors who actually got a player on a roster (about two-thirds of them are ITL clients annually).

I always ask the same six questions. Some of the answers are wildly divergent (some people say the exam is so easy, and some say it’s incredibly hard), but there are always recurring themes. One of them regards the reason people get into the business.

The perception is that agents are, by and large, attorneys. That’s true for about 60 percent of new contract advisors annually. However, a more common theme is that people who come to this business usually did it because, at some point, they crossed paths with pro athletes, came to see them as human, received some measure of respect from the athletes, and figured, ‘this doesn’t look so hard, and it would probably be fun, too.’

Maybe they coached athletes in grade school, high school or even college. Maybe they sold a couple athletes houses. Maybe they represented athletes in legal cases. In all of these situations, the would-be agent got to deal with young men in their areas of strength, and the athletes looked at them as authorities in those respective areas. Maybe the players even said, ‘you should be an agent.’ You’d be amazed how often this is part of a new agent’s story.

At any rate, these agent hopefuls didn’t have to leave their comfort zones to work with player clients. This prompted them to get certified. This is when things get hard.

Now these lawyers, or realtors, or coaches, or whatever, have to approach strangers not as the people they’ve always been, but as NFLPA-licensed contract advisors. That presents a whole new set of challenges. These players don’t see them as trustworthy, or knowledgeable, or maybe even worthy of their time. Now they have to succeed in a whole new world. I call this ‘getting through the gate.’ When they were coaching, or representing, or selling to players, they were already ‘through the gate.’ Now they have to figure out another way past the young man’s gatekeepers.

The agents that prove to be successful are able to extend themselves, to find a way to make themselves appealing to players. It doesn’t happen overnight, and even when a player signs, there’s no guarantee he’s going to stick around. These new agents have to be constantly working to improve, and often, there real-world job has little to no application in the agent world. It’s a really tough situation.

Anyway, if you’re one of those people that is taking the agent exam in five weeks, understand this. Know that it’s going to take stepping out of your comfort zone to succeed in this biz, but also know it’s been done before. And if you’d like me to help, I’d love to.

The Power of a Team (cont.)

Last week, I talked about the importance of having the support of those closest to you personally if you’re going to make it in this business. Today, let’s talk about the next ring: your professional team.

When you’re starting out, it’s hard to find good help. At least, it has been for me. What’s more, depending on the nature of what you’re trying to do, you may or may not have people who are willing to buy into your vision. That’s been part of my problem until recently.

Here are some of the qualities I’ve found in the people who’ve been my best helpers/interns/assistants.

A sense of sacrifice: If you bring someone in as an intern, or a partner, or whatever, and it’s all about the money, it will never work. At least, not at the start. I moved heaven and earth early in the life of ITL to find students that would work for ‘experience.’ I found a couple that expressed early interest, but that quickly faded away. These days, when I meet someone that wants to work with me, I always give them my card, then tell them to call me. I make them make the first move. It always works. I never hear from them. They cut themselves.

Initiative: You have to give your people the chance to see what you do, why you do it and how you do it, then let them go. They have to be able to see a need and attack it without you having to tell them. When I was a plebe at Navy, they made us all memorize a story about a driven soldier who did without having to be told. The story was called ‘Message to Garcia.’ I can’t count the number of times an upperclassman screamed ‘Message to Garcia’ to us when we screwed up due to laziness or other inaction.

A remote location: I’m serious about this. It’s a real benefit as you seek out talented folks to help you. One of the battles I fight in Houston, Texas, is that everyone who is interested in working in sports (and who is skilled and able) gets something with one of the major sports franchises in town. That makes it tougher for me, but I’ve been fortunate to work with Rice University and have also crossed paths with some young folks who are exceptional. If you are in Fargo or Albuquerque, there’s far less competition for the people who want to succeed in football.

Work ethic: OK, this one is pretty obvious, but my three guys right now (Alex, D.J. and Kevin) are pretty whatever-it-takes kinds of guys. I’ve given them several projects this summer and they’ve done what it takes to hit the deadlines. That’s critical.

Loyalty: The best assistant I’ve ever had is my guy Murphy, who is not only a lights-out worker but incredibly loyal. He’s so loyal that he gets violently angry at people that are not exactly friends of ITL. That kind of passion is awesome, and pretty important. Speaking of passion . . . .

Passion: Anyone who’s going to work with you better be as excited about the work as you are. That passion will sustain them during the low points.

I’m certainly no expert on the subject, but this is what I’ve seen in my decade-plus trying to climb the football ladder. File this away someplace as you build your own team.

The Power of a Team

No matter whether you’re just figuring out if you want to pursue a place in the football world, or if you’re already somewhere along that path, your success will depend greatly on who’s around you.

At ITL, we don’t have a big team, but we’re building it. Of course, I have a couple key players that you probably have, as well, whether you know it or not.

First of all, there’s my wife. I know it’s seen as a cliche to thank your spouse when you have any kind of success, but Polly has been a very tangible part of things for me. To cite one example, when I returned from the Hula Bowl in January of 2008, down in the dumps and lacking direction, she’s the one that encouraged me to take the biggest risk of my life professionally. That risk was the re-launch of ITL, but without the safety net of making the site fan-friendly, and with a dramatically higher price point. I remember former subscribers who were happy to see me return, but who literally shouted at me over the phone, outraged at the new rate. Back then, maybe it was a little outrageous, but now, I feel it’s justified. I don’t mean to be immodest when I say that no one else does what we do, and no one else provides the level of service that we do.

There’s also my parents. I have the best parents in the world, and I hope you do, too, if you’re gonna make a run at the football biz. The year I ran the Hula Bowl, I did it without a staff, which made most things a logistical nightmare. But there my parents were in Honolulu in January of 2008. Most people who would go to Hawaii for their 40th wedding anniversary wouldn’t stray far from the beach, but I don’t know if my parents ever even made it to the beach. They were too busy picking up surly coaches from the airport, registering players at the hotel, or helping fit our invitees for the various swag that comes with playing in an all-star game. My parents have endless energy and endless support of me, and that’s a blessing that will really come in handy as you move forward in this industry.

I’ve got a lot of friends who have helped out, too. I know plenty of guys in my position might get flak from their peers, who might be completely dismissive of a shot-in-the-dark attempt at a career like mine. But that hasn’t been the case for me. There’s my former partner, Troy Brown, who has always encouraged me. There’s my former boss, Marty Hajovsky, who always covered for me at my ‘real job’ when ITL was just the job I moonlighted with. There’s another friend, Mark Babineck, who was kind of enough to chip in for a one-year subscription in the first year of ITL, even though I doubt he ever even logged on. There’s another friend, Samer Bitar, who’s helped put together our post-draft offerings more than once, and I have several  members of my church family who follow me here, on Twitter, or on Facebook, and have provided support, encouragement, prayers, or whatever else I’ve needed. In fact, I’ve probably missed out on 10-20 names of friends and confidantes who’ve helped me along the way. I couldn’t have done it without these people.

You can’t do this alone. I hope I’ve shown that, and I haven’t even started talking about the inner circle that helps me do the actual heavy lifting, the day-to-day work, of ITL. I’ll discuss them in my next post.

WSW: Gathering Difficult Information

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For today’s War Story Wednesday, here’s a segment from an interview I did with former Saints area scout James Jefferson (you can view the entire interview here). In today’s post, I’ll share his thoughts on how an area scout can gather information from a college’s pro liaison, especially when a player may have skeletons in his closet.

I’m going to break it into subheads and categorize it a bit because there’s a lot here.

Experienced scouts have connections: “I was fortunate enough to be around a lot of coaches, and I was fortunate to coach at the college level, I was fortunate enough to play in the NFL, and do all these things, so you start getting to read a lot of people. The sports world is not always straightforward, and that’s football, basketball, baseball, doesn’t make a difference. That’s not saying just football.”

Every school has its own philosophy, and some are more generous with information than others: “It depends on what organization you go to. I’ve been to some places where the coach will tell you everything. Everything. They’ll you in and tell you everything, whether he knows you or not. I’ve been to some places where I had to know a guy to get information. Then I’ve been to places where I know a guy, but I also gotta respect the fact that his head guy does not want anything negative said, period, negative being relative. I don’t know what negative is. A young man is going out, he’s done something to get himself put in jail, why is that negative? That’s reality. It’s not negative.”

One way or another, teams are gonna find the dirt on players: “I’m sure it hit the papers somewhere. Maybe not, but we’re going to find that out anyway eventually. Every team’s got its security guy. The NFL works that way, so (when schools) think that they can honestly blow smoke and we’re falling for it. . . .”

Knowing people has its benefits: “I’ve been to a place where, and I gotta be careful with this . . . I’m not trying to get anybody in trouble, but I’ve been to a place where the case was that they couldn’t say anything, so I went and talked to this guy, and I went by myself. And he told me, ‘look, James, you know where I am and what I can’t do,’ and I said, ‘I gotcha,’ but he says, ‘look, come in here with the group of scouts.’ Most of the scouts try to talk to the guy all at one time, and if you know him, you get him by yourself, and he’ll give you a little bit extra. Well, I knew him, and I didn’t want to put him out like that and get him in trouble, so I go in there with the rest of the guys. But he said, ‘if somebody asks if somebody got in trouble, I’m gonna tell (them) “I don’t know, and you’re going to have to look that up,” but if (my friend) . . . turned to me, and he winked (his) eye, it meant, ‘check it out.’ But that’s because I had that rapport. A lot of other scouts have a different rapport with any of these coaches, and what have you.”

Treat pro liaisons well, and they’ll treat you well: “You have to be careful. You don’t want to get those guys in trouble. (Scouts) don’t work (at those schools). Me doing my job, and this guy loses his job, and he’s got a family, that doesn’t . . . But some of those guys, it’s a ruthless business both ways, and I’m not gonna say some scouts not gonna hang someone out there, but I couldn’t. I could never sleep at night.

Once again, experience and connections matter: “I try to get as much information as possible. Of course, if you know the guy, you’re going to get the information, but if not, you’re going to have to work a lot harder, but that’s where it comes into play. If you know a scout that knows a guy, that becomes a lot more beneficial. But you can’t alienate scouts, either. One day, (they) may be sitting on the other side of the table.”